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108 – The Lady from the Sea by Henrik Ibsen

108 – The Lady from the Sea by Henrik Ibsen

Andrew Lincoln as Edward and 
Alicia Vikander as Ellida
The Lady from the Sea
Bridge Theatre, London, September 2025
Photo by Johan Persson

108 – The Lady from the Sea by Henrik Ibsen

The curtain rises on the garden of a sizeable house in a little fjord town in the northern part of Norway. The house is owned by the local doctor, Dr Wangel, who lives here with his second wife, Ellida, his first wife having died five years previously. Ellida is unsettled in her life with the doctor, however, partly because Ellida and Wangel have also suffered the heartbreak of the death of a baby son, and Ellida has not been well in the two years since. Wangel believes that Ellida’s unhappiness may stem from the fact that his two grown-up daughters have not welcomed her as a replacement for their mother. Ellida herself is preoccupied by a powerful romantic relationship she had in her youth that continues to haunt her. She becomes increasingly agitated as she confronts echoes of the trauma of that relationship, a trauma that now threatens to repeat itself, and to break her marriage.

This is Henrik Ibsen’s The Lady from the Sea, a play that frames a tortured domestic drama in the mystical language of Scandinavian folklore, including references to mermaids and drowned men returning to land, as well as the existential power of the sea itself. Ibsen wrote the play in 1888, and it premiered in Norway and Germany in early 1889. Having won global fame with his portrait of a broken marriage in A Doll’s House a decade earlier, the critics were bewildered by this strange new rendition of marital strife – one calling it “exalted lunacy”, nonplussed by Ellida’s mental hysteria and the play’s symbolic undercurrents.

I was prompted to explore the play after having seen the Australian maverick director, Simon Stone’s modern adaptation when it ran at the Bridge theatre in London in the Autumn of 2025. I am delighted to welcome back to the podcast, Professor Kirsten Shepherd, to help explore Ibsen’s watery classic. Kirsten is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University, and has appeared twice before on the podcast to talk about Ibsen plays, first with Ghosts in episode 74 and then for An Enemy of the People in episode 77.

Kirsten and I are joined by Tzen Sam. Tzen has just completed her PHD thesis at Oxford University on Ibsen’s first female translators, and edited with Kirsten a new volume of Ibsen plays published as an Oxford World Classic, that include new translations of A Doll’s House and When We Dead Awaken, as well as Men of Honour, written by Laura Kieler, who was the real-life inspiration for Ibsen’s A Doll’s House.

074 – Ghosts by Henrik Ibsen 
077 – An Enemy of the People by Henrik Ibsen
001 – A Doll’s House by Henrik Ibsen

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University. Kirsten’s published writings include Ibsen and Early Modernist Theatre, 1890-1900; The Cambridge Companion to Theatre and Science;  Modern Drama: A Very Short Introduction, and Theatre and Evolution from Ibsen to Beckett. Most recently she has edited and written the introduction for a volume of Ibsen plays published as an Oxford World Classic, that include new translations of A Doll’s House and When We Dead Awaken, as well as Men of Honour, written by Laura Kieler, who was the real-life inspiration for A Doll’s House.

 

Recommended Play

Kirsten recommended Purpose by Branden Jacobs-Jenkins.

Tzen Sam

Tzen Sam has just completed her PHD thesis at Oxford University on Ibsen’s first female translators. She is the co-editor, with Kirsten Shepherd, of a new volume of Ibsen plays published as an Oxford World Classic, that include new translations of A Doll’s House and When We Dead Awaken, as well as Men of Honour, written by Laura Kieler, who was the real-life inspiration for Ibsen’s A Doll’s House.

Recommended Play

Tzen recommended Men of Honour by Laura Kieler.

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113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

Published 24th August

Tom Stoppard’s 1993 play, Arcadia is viewed by many as his finest play, renowned for the breadth of its intellectual interrogations and its formal invention. The play is a structural masterpiece of ideas, as well as a teasing detective story, joyous comedy, and emotionally rich exploration of love and loss.

As we record this episode a wonderful new production of Arcadia is playing at the Duke of York’s theatre in London’s West End, following its acclaimed run at the Old Vic theatre earlier this year. I am delighted to share the challenge and the pleasure of exploring Stoppard’s dazzling drama with the director of the new production, Carrie Cracknell.

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

David Mamet’s modern American classic, Glengarry Glen Ross, is a blistering commentary on the cut-throat reality of the American dream, and its poisonous impact on those who have bought into the myth and machismo of that dream. The play had its world premiere in the small Cottesloe theatre at the National Theatre in London in September 1983, and was first performed in New York the following year, winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. Mamet also wrote the extended screenplay for the star-studded 1992 film version.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play was playing at the Old Vic theatre in London, with an all-female cast. This is a particularly provocative idea, because one of the primary themes of this play is masculine identity, and the salesmen in this Chicago office do not hold back in their display of machismo.

To explore Mamet’s unflinching slice of 1980s dog-eat-dog capitalism, I am joined by arts journalist Mark Lawson.

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

Bertolt Brecht’s ‘gangster spectacle’, The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui, is both an exuberant and funny piece of theatre, and a chillingly topical political satire. Set in the 1930s Chicago of Al Capone, Brecht presents a parody of the rise of Hitler through the character of the gangster Arturo Ui. The play is a universal cry for vigilance against the rise of unscrupulous, populist leaders who threaten democratic societies and global peace.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play by the Royal Shakespeare Company was playing in Stratford-upon-Avon, starring Mark Gatiss as the title character.

I am delighted to be joined by both the show’s translator, playwright Stephen Sharkey, and by Brecht scholar, Professor Tom Kuhn, to guide us through Brecht’s political parody.

077 – An Enemy of the People, by Henrik Ibsen

077 – An Enemy of the People, by Henrik Ibsen

Matt Smith as Thomas Stockmann
Duke of York’s Theatre, London
February 2023
Photograph by Manuel Harlan

077 – An Enemy of the People, by Henrik Ibsen

A small coastal town in Southern Norway is becoming famous for the recuperative waters of its newly founded spa. However, a local doctor who serves as the Spa’s medical officer has discovered that the waters that feed the spa are contaminated. He feels bound to bring his news to public attention, but such a revelation will threaten the very livelihood of the town. Those in authority are therefore determined to stop him from publicising his findings. The doctor is equally determined that the truth must be told, but his principled stand will make him “an enemy of the people”.

This is Henrik Ibsen’s play An Enemy of the People, a fable of truth and lies, politics and power, and the challenge and costs of pursuing an unpopular crusade to speak truth to power. It’s a story of ‘fake news’, manipulation of the media, the dangers of populism, and the environmental cost of capitalism. No wonder it strikes a chord in our time, for as we record this episode there are two major new productions of An Enemy of the People on the world stage. Here in London, German director Thomas Ostermeier brings his striking contemporary adaptation to the West End, with Matt Smith starring as the crusading Doctor; and in New York, Jeremy Strong, famous as Kendall Roy in the TV series Succession, takes on the role in a version by American playwright Amy Herzog.

I’m delighted to welcome back to the podcast, Ibsen expert, Professor Kirsten Shepherd. I was privileged to talk with Kirsten in episode 74 when we discussed Ibsen’s wonderful play Ghosts. 

Plays by Henrik Ibsen covered on The Play Podcast:
001 – A Doll’s House 
074 – Ghosts

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University. She received her B.A. in English from Yale University, after which she spent a year studying Nordic Literature and Languages at the University of Oslo before earning her D.Phil. from Oxford. She has held teaching posts at the Universities of Birmingham and North Carolina State before joining the English faculty at Oxford in 2007.

Kirsten’s research interests include the relationship between modernism and theatrical performance, and more specifically for our purposes, the writings of Henrik Ibsen. Her first published book wasIbsen and Early Modernist Theatre, 1890-1900  published back in 1997, since when her other publications include The Cambridge Companion to Theatre and Science (2020), Modern Drama: A Very Short Introduction (OUP, 2016),  and Theatre and Evolution from Ibsen to Beckett (Columbia University Press, 2015), as well as numerous contributions to journals and critical collections.

Kirsten has been a guest on Melvyn Bragg’s “In Our Time” on the episode devoted to Ibsen, and has acted as consultant on productions at the National Theatre, the Oxford Playhouse, the Old Vic, and at Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre.

 

Recommended Play

Kirsten recommended The Lady from the Sea by Henrik Ibsen.

 

Photo © Marc Brenner
We have footnotes for this episode …

The Footnotes to our episode on Henrik Ibsen’s An Enemy of the People include notes about the source of Ibsen’s plot, his attack on the integrity of the press, his pitting of progressive thinkers versus conservatives, and the controversy in Dr Stockmann’s tirade at the public meeting.

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Additional benefits available to Patrons include Footnotes on the plays covered in the podcast, as well as early access to The Play Review.

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Thank you very much for listening and for your support.
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The Texts
If you are interested in buying the play text or other related books, we’d be delighted if you choose to purchase them from our selected partners Bookshop.org and Blackwell’s. Not only will you be supporting independent booksellers, we will also earn a small commission on every book you purchase, which helps to keep the podcast going. Click on the cover to buy from our chosen partner. Thank you.
You might also be interested in …
113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

Published 24th August

Tom Stoppard’s 1993 play, Arcadia is viewed by many as his finest play, renowned for the breadth of its intellectual interrogations and its formal invention. The play is a structural masterpiece of ideas, as well as a teasing detective story, joyous comedy, and emotionally rich exploration of love and loss.

As we record this episode a wonderful new production of Arcadia is playing at the Duke of York’s theatre in London’s West End, following its acclaimed run at the Old Vic theatre earlier this year. I am delighted to share the challenge and the pleasure of exploring Stoppard’s dazzling drama with the director of the new production, Carrie Cracknell.

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

David Mamet’s modern American classic, Glengarry Glen Ross, is a blistering commentary on the cut-throat reality of the American dream, and its poisonous impact on those who have bought into the myth and machismo of that dream. The play had its world premiere in the small Cottesloe theatre at the National Theatre in London in September 1983, and was first performed in New York the following year, winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. Mamet also wrote the extended screenplay for the star-studded 1992 film version.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play was playing at the Old Vic theatre in London, with an all-female cast. This is a particularly provocative idea, because one of the primary themes of this play is masculine identity, and the salesmen in this Chicago office do not hold back in their display of machismo.

To explore Mamet’s unflinching slice of 1980s dog-eat-dog capitalism, I am joined by arts journalist Mark Lawson.

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

Bertolt Brecht’s ‘gangster spectacle’, The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui, is both an exuberant and funny piece of theatre, and a chillingly topical political satire. Set in the 1930s Chicago of Al Capone, Brecht presents a parody of the rise of Hitler through the character of the gangster Arturo Ui. The play is a universal cry for vigilance against the rise of unscrupulous, populist leaders who threaten democratic societies and global peace.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play by the Royal Shakespeare Company was playing in Stratford-upon-Avon, starring Mark Gatiss as the title character.

I am delighted to be joined by both the show’s translator, playwright Stephen Sharkey, and by Brecht scholar, Professor Tom Kuhn, to guide us through Brecht’s political parody.

074 – Ghosts, by Henrik Ibsen

074 – Ghosts, by Henrik Ibsen

Hattie Morahan as Helene Alving
Sam Wanamaker Theatre
December 2023
Photo by Marc Brenner

 

074 – Ghosts, by Henrik Ibsen

Although Henrik Ibsen’s dark family drama Ghosts was written more than 140 years ago it still retains the power to shock. Its treatment of sexual disease, incest and euthanasia caused outrage in 1881, with critics describing it as “unutterably offensive”, “an open drain: a loathsome sore unbandaged”, a “putrid play”. Booksellers returned copies unopened, and no European theatre would produce it. The play did not receive its English language premiere until 10 years later, and that evaded the censor only by being presented in a single private performance. The play’s unflinching portrait of repressed truths and social hypocrisy has proven enduring because the conflcit between truth and hypocrisy is a universal source of human drama.

As we record this episode a new adaptation of Ghosts, written and directed by Joe Hill-Gibbons, is playing in the Sam Wanamaker theatre at Shakespeare’s Globe theatre in London until 28th January 2024.

To discuss this wonderfully powerful play, I am joined by Kirsten Shepherd, who is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University. Kirsten’s research interests include the relationship between modernism and theatrical performance, and more specifically for our purposes, the writings of Henrik Ibsen.

During our conversation, Kirsten and I referred several times to Ibsen’s earlier play A Doll’s House, which was the subject of our very first episode:
001 A Doll’s House, by Henrik Ibsen

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University. She received her B.A. in English from Yale University, after which she spent a year studying Nordic Literature and Languages at the University of Oslo before earning her D.Phil. from Oxford. She has held teaching posts at the Universities of Birmingham and North Carolina State before joining the English faculty at Oxford in 2007.

Kirsten’s research interests include the relationship between modernism and theatrical performance, and more specifically for our purposes, the writings of Henrik Ibsen. Her first published book wasIbsen and Early Modernist Theatre, 1890-1900  published back in 1997, since when her other publications include The Cambridge Companion to Theatre and Science (2020), Modern Drama: A Very Short Introduction (OUP, 2016),  and Theatre and Evolution from Ibsen to Beckett (Columbia University Press, 2015), as well as numerous contributions to journals and critical collections.

Kirsten has been a guest on Melvyn Bragg’s “In Our Time” on the episode devoted to Ibsen, and has acted as consultant on productions at the National Theatre, the Oxford Playhouse, the Old Vic, and most recently her article “Challenging the Brand” appeared in the programme for the current production of Ghosts at the Globe Theatre.

 

Recommended Play

Kirsten recommended Wit by Margaret Edson.

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Since I launched The Play Podcast in April 2020, I have managed to eschew any form of advertising or sponsorship, and I would like to continue to produce the podcast without doing so. I therefore invite you to help me to continue to make the podcast by becoming a Patron.
Additional benefits available to Patrons include Footnotes on the plays covered in the podcast, as well as early access to The Play Review.

For details click here

Thank you very much for listening and for your support.
Douglas

The Texts
If you are interested in buying the play text or other related books, we’d be delighted if you choose to purchase them from our selected partners Bookshop.org and Blackwell’s. Not only will you be supporting independent booksellers, we will also earn a small commission on every book you purchase, which helps to keep the podcast going. Click on the cover to buy from our chosen partner. Thank you.
You might also be interested in …
113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

113 – Arcadia by Tom Stoppard

Published 24th August

Tom Stoppard’s 1993 play, Arcadia is viewed by many as his finest play, renowned for the breadth of its intellectual interrogations and its formal invention. The play is a structural masterpiece of ideas, as well as a teasing detective story, joyous comedy, and emotionally rich exploration of love and loss.

As we record this episode a wonderful new production of Arcadia is playing at the Duke of York’s theatre in London’s West End, following its acclaimed run at the Old Vic theatre earlier this year. I am delighted to share the challenge and the pleasure of exploring Stoppard’s dazzling drama with the director of the new production, Carrie Cracknell.

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

112 – Glengarry Glen Ross by David Mamet

David Mamet’s modern American classic, Glengarry Glen Ross, is a blistering commentary on the cut-throat reality of the American dream, and its poisonous impact on those who have bought into the myth and machismo of that dream. The play had its world premiere in the small Cottesloe theatre at the National Theatre in London in September 1983, and was first performed in New York the following year, winning the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. Mamet also wrote the extended screenplay for the star-studded 1992 film version.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play was playing at the Old Vic theatre in London, with an all-female cast. This is a particularly provocative idea, because one of the primary themes of this play is masculine identity, and the salesmen in this Chicago office do not hold back in their display of machismo.

To explore Mamet’s unflinching slice of 1980s dog-eat-dog capitalism, I am joined by arts journalist Mark Lawson.

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

111 – The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui by Bertolt Brecht

Bertolt Brecht’s ‘gangster spectacle’, The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui, is both an exuberant and funny piece of theatre, and a chillingly topical political satire. Set in the 1930s Chicago of Al Capone, Brecht presents a parody of the rise of Hitler through the character of the gangster Arturo Ui. The play is a universal cry for vigilance against the rise of unscrupulous, populist leaders who threaten democratic societies and global peace.

As we recorded this episode a new production of the play by the Royal Shakespeare Company was playing in Stratford-upon-Avon, starring Mark Gatiss as the title character.

I am delighted to be joined by both the show’s translator, playwright Stephen Sharkey, and by Brecht scholar, Professor Tom Kuhn, to guide us through Brecht’s political parody.

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd

Kirsten Shepherd is Professor of English and Theatre Studies at St Catherine’s College, Oxford University. She received her B.A. in English from Yale University, after which she spent a year studying Nordic Literature and Languages at the University of Oslo before earning her D.Phil. from Oxford. She has held teaching posts at the Universities of Birmingham and North Carolina State before joining the English faculty at Oxford in 2007.

Kirsten’s research interests include the relationship between modernism and theatrical performance, and more specifically for our purposes, the writings of Henrik Ibsen. Her first published book wasIbsen and Early Modernist Theatre, 1890-1900  published back in 1997, since when her other publications include The Cambridge Companion to Theatre and Science (2020), Modern Drama: A Very Short Introduction (OUP, 2016),  and Theatre and Evolution from Ibsen to Beckett (Columbia University Press, 2015), as well as numerous contributions to journals and critical collections.

Most recently Kirsten has edited and written the introduction for a volume of Ibsen plays published as an Oxford World Classic, that include new translations of A Doll’s House and When We Dead Awaken, as well as Men of Honour, written by Laura Kieler, who was the real-life inspiration for A Doll’s House.

Recommended Play(s)

In episode 74 Kirsten recommended Wit by Margaret Edson.

In episode 77 she recommended The Lady from the Sea by Henrik Ibsen.

In episode 108 she recommended Purpose by Branden Jacobs-Jenkins.